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Andy McIntosh On Avian Flight and Alternate View on Origins

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By Michael Sazhin

Tuesday May 12th, 2015

Recently I had the pleasure of being visited by Professor Andy McIntosh to talk about birds and flight. Andy is a retired professor of thermodynamics and combustion theory from the University of Leeds in the UK and on the board of directors of Truth In Science (an organization promoting teaching intelligent design in the classroom in the UK).

I got in touch with Andy because I found his talks about birds on youtube and found them quite interesting. I give a similar presentation at NYU every year about the Evolution of Flight (a comparison between flying machines and flying organisms) and found it quite surprising that Andy can look at the same facts but come to different conclusions. In either case, we both share a fascination with the mechanisms of flight and the astounding complexity of birds. Regardless of which interpretive conclusion prevails, the presentation of the facts, mechanisms, operations, fossils, and stories is a marvel to learn.

Michael and Andy McIntosh

Michael and Andy McIntosh

Michael and Andy McIntosh

So without getting any further into background, let me present to you an interview - straight from my bird room and with the help of Kili, Truman, and Santina - with professor Andy McIntosh:



In this video and with the help of Kili, Truman, and Santina, Andy McIntosh discusses many topics related to birds and how they fly. A few of the topics include how feathers work, how the flight muscles are special in birds, how the avian breathing apparatus is like no other, archeopteryx fossils, and about his conclusions on how birds are too complicated to have evolved through natural processes and are instead the products of design. Dr. McIntosh concludes that:

"They want to be in the air and obviously they are designed to be in the air. Everything is telling me as an engineer, stroke mathematician, somebody who is used to asking the question 'why are things the way they are?' All these features tell me that there is a brilliant mind behind these creatures."

So after watching both presentations, do you think Kili is an evolved dinosaur or one of God's created creatures?

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Wolf

Posted on May 27, 2015 01:40PM

I fail to comprehend why it must be one way or the other. Creation or evolution? Why do you suppose that we mostly look at it this way instead of creation and evolution? A long time ago I read a translation of an ancient religious text from the region of Iraq and Iran and it struck me at how much the story of creation in it resembled modern genetic manipulation. I guess that this is a point for creation, but the manipulation was carried out over time using species of what was already here which points to evolution having been a part of the process. Very few things in nature or in life as a whole are either or but usually a combination of this and that. So I seriously doubt that it would be one or the other.

Pajarita

Posted on May 27, 2015 03:18PM

Intelligent design is the pseudo-scientific 'arm' of the creationism theory -pseudo-scientific because the proponents want it taught in schools as an alternative to evolution even though it has absolutely no basis whatsoever on science. But, even though it is based on religious beliefs, not all churches adhere to it. The Catholic church believes (like you do, Wolf) that evolution was one of God's tools in creation. Personally, I fail to see how anybody with half a brain can state without equivocation that there needs to be an intelligence behind the 'design' when rabbits need to eat their own poop in order to digest their food -I mean, couldn't this 'intelligence' do a better job than that?!

Wolf

Posted on May 27, 2015 03:44PM

Just to clarify a little more, I am not really sure what I actually believe concerning this topic as it really doesn't mean all that much to me, personally. A bird is a bird and its form and behaviors are what I deal with not whether a 100 million year old birdlike species that has long been extinct is a bird or a reptile or what ever. Aside from amusement, I could care less. But all indications would suggest that both would be responsible to some degree, but their is not enough evidence for me to make a choice on this, so I try to maintain an open mind. It is on par with the question of which came first the bird or the egg and I don't know the answer.

rebcart

Posted on May 29, 2015 01:52AM

I'm really disappointed in this video. Shows Michael's lack of understanding of science if, despite claiming to be all for scientific principles in training, he allows his channel to become a platform for people like this who actively promote throwing science out the window.

Wolf

Posted on May 29, 2015 06:15AM

I think that he is just trying to show different points of view and it would be nice if he would set up a scientific video of the same topics or even better a debate . Just standing alone like it is does make you wonder what he is thinking of at the time.


Michael

Posted on May 29, 2015 05:42PM

http://TrainedParrot.com/Evolution_Of_Flight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j265ALVNb-o

Wolf

Posted on June 1, 2015 04:28PM

Thank you Michael ! So your main interest is in flight, which led to your interest in birds?


Michael

Posted on June 1, 2015 08:15PM

Yeah, that's right. Kind of explains why I love keeping flighted parrots.


liz

Posted on June 2, 2015 01:50AM

I do not want a dispute about my faith. I am very strong with it. Believe it or not Wolf and I agree on this one. I believe in creation. GOD made everything but that doesn't mean he is done tweaking. I believe GOD made more than one kind of being. They did not all survive. My ancestors came from the Garden of Eden. My son solved the question of who came first the chicken or the egg. The very first chicken came from an egg. The chicken was not created. It was tweaked ! Some how we got on the subject of UFOs in my Sunday School Class (I was in the oldest one). I freaked out the old ladies in my church by telling them "just because GOD is our father does not mean we are his only children".

arbie

Posted on September 4, 2015 05:58AM

a degree and an opinion don't make a belief truth...

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